TMI BlogPurchase from unregistered dealerX X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... Dear sir/s Could you please advice me , if the goods are purchsed from unregistered dealer ,does the buyer has to pay the VAT if he is a registered dealer. if he should pay how this amount should be treated either inputVAT or OutputVAT, Can we adjust before paying the amount . Kindly suggest me what are the provisons IF GOODS ARE PURCHASED FROM UNREGISTERED DEALER - Reply By Pradeep Khatri - The Reply = If goods are purchased from unregistered dealer then no tax is payable if such goods are used in manufacture of goods or sold as such on payment of applicable VAT/CST as the case may be. Tax is payable if such goods are disposed off as such other than sales. - Reply By guna ch - The Reply = Thanking You Sir But Our internal Auditor asking to pay the VAT on goods those we have purchased from unregistered dealer, We are manufacturer of Seamless Steel Pipes, to manufactur seamless pipes we should purchse cutting Oil. we useually purchase cuting oil from small seller who have no sales tax registration. and we purchase plastic caps to close the pipe ends from a small unregistered dealer what shall we do sir , shall we pay VAT ? - Reply By Pradeep Khatri - The ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... Reply = Since goods used by you are of consumable nature and you must be paying outward VAT/CST while selling the goods, therefore, no need to pay the purchase tax, since paying tax on purchase and inturn availing the ITC is nothing but Revenue Nutral activity. - Reply By sri devi - The Reply = Sir, Kindly clear my doubts regarding unregistered purchase (URD) according to Tnvat under sec 12 1. unregistered purchase (URD made by client (Bag shop) 2. Whether the URD should be shown in return under sec 12 Purchase? 3. I need to pay tax for sec 12 for 5 percent 4. shall show in return Form I or not 5. IF i pay the purchase tax as per sec 12 shall i take ITC for next month Please give answer for above 5 questions ASAP - Reply By SURESH ASTEKAR - The Reply = Dear Guna The relevant provision of Andhra Pradesh VAT Act is Section 4(4) which is reproduced below: (4) Every VAT dealer , who in the course of his business purchases any taxable goods from a person or a dealer not registered as a VAT dealer or from a VAT dealer in circumstances in which no tax is payable by the selling VAT dealer, shall be liable to pay tax at the rate of four percent (4 pe ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... rcent ) on the purchase price of such goods, if after such purchase, the goods are: (i) used as inputs for goods which are exempt from tax under the Act; or (ii) used as inputs for goods, which are disposed of otherwise than by way of sale in the State or dispatched outside the State otherwise than by way of sale in the course of inter-State trade and commerce or export out of the territory of India; or (iii) disposed of otherwise than by way of consumption or by way of sale either within the State or in the course of interstate trade or commerce or export out of the territory of India: Provided that wherever a common input is used to produce goods, the turnover, taxable under this sub-section, shall be the value of the inputs, proportionate to the value of the goods, used or disposed of in the manner as prescribed under this section: Provided further that in respect of purchase of goods specified in Schedules III and VI, the VAT dealer shall be liable to pay tax at the rates specified for such goods in the respective Schedules. - Reply By ganeshan kalyani - The Reply = Hi, Is purchase tax prevail in th ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... e state of Maharashtra. - Reply By yash arya - The Reply = Dear all, We find contradicting and conflicting replies in these columns like this one. We wish a senior vat consultant do vetting of replies and publish the correct answer. This would avoid misleading/ misguiding view points for the readers. -Shekar R - Reply By Pradeep Khatri - The Reply = Dear All, Please check our above reply read with reply submitted by Mr. SURESH ASTEKAR in this regard. In continuing the above, purchase tax would be applicable where purchased goods used either in manufacturing of exempted goods on which no VAT/CST is payable while selling such goods or are disposed off other than by way of sale. We reiterate our reply that it is settled legal position, if goods, on which no tax was paid at the time of their purchase and such goods are being used for manufacturing of finished products on which VAT/CST is payable/paid, then, need to pay the purchase tax on such goods. Team YAGAY SUN (Management Indirect Tax Consultants) - Reply By ganeshan kalyani - The Reply = what will be the treatment to purchase tax, eg .if the plant in Andhra Pradesh purchases from local unregistered dealer ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... and send the material to other his own Unit in another state. there after manufacturing, the product is sold locally and vat is paid. here selling state is not getting revenue. If the purchase is from unregistered dealer after processing the final product is sold locally then as per sec 4(4) of AP Vat Act purchase tax not applicable, since the state government is getting the revenue. kindly share the impact on purchase tax on first para situation. - Reply By SURESH ASTEKAR - The Reply = Dear Ganeshan Kalyani, If the goods are purchased from unregistered dealers in Andhra Pradesh and the said goods are stock-transferred as such outside the State, in terms of Section 4(4)(iii) of the AP VAT Act, then purchase tax is payable. I would like to add here that the purchase tax provisions differ from State to State and therefore it would be necessary to consider the provisions of the VAT Acts of the respective States. For instance, I may point out that purchase tax is payable under Section 3(2) of the Karnataka VAT Act on all purchases made by a registered dealer from an unregistered dealer, irrespective of the purpose for which such goods are purchased. Further, such tax paid by ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... a registered dealer will be available as input tax credit, subject to certain specific conditions. Section 3 of the Karnataka VAT Act is as under: 3. Levy of tax.- (1) The tax shall be levied on every sale of goods in the State by a registered dealer or a dealer liable to be registered, in accordance with the provisions of this Act. (2) The tax shall also be levied, and paid by every registered dealer or a dealer liable to be registered, on the sale of taxable goods to him, for use in the course of his business, by a person who is not registered under this Act . - Reply By ganeshan kalyani - The Reply = Say Andhra Pradesh before reorganization a dealer purchases taxable goods from unregistered dealer and manufactures it and sale within the state, Vat collected on invoice and paid to dept. Now with reorganization the state into two part, the unregistered dealer located in 'Part A' of state. A dealer is having two option : 1) An office situated at 'Part A of State-AP' purchases from the unregistered dealer and after that stock transfers it to plant located in 'Part B of State-AP' for manufacturing and sales the final p ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... roduct and pays vat. the question here is whether purchase tax is payable. 2) Plant in 'Part B of State-AP' directly purchases from unregistered dealer in 'Part A of State-AP'. whether purchase tax is payable in this case. - Reply By SURESH ASTEKAR - The Reply = Once the State of Andhra Pradesh is bifurcated, there is no question of any Part-A or Part-B. Both the States are independent States and they are different States for all legal and practical purposes. Merely because before the bifurcation they were part of the one State, does not mean that after bifurcation they are treated as parts of one State. Consequently, the provisions of the VAT Act as applicable earlier would now be applicable to each State with the status of a full-fledged State. - Reply By ganeshan kalyani - The Reply = A registered dealer in 'The State of Telangana' purchases taxable raw material from unregistered dealer after he does stock transfers the same goods to his plant in 'The State of Andhra Pradesh' for manufacturing. The final product after manufacturing is taxable and accordingly vat collected and paid to department while selling. Now the question arises is t ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... hat whether purchase tax is payable for purchase from unregistered dealer by whom which state. - Reply By SURESH ASTEKAR - The Reply = When a dealer in Telangana purchases goods from unregistered dealer in Telangana and thereafter transfers the goods to Andhra Pradesh, he will be liable to pay tax under Section 4(4)(iii). This is as per the AP VAT Act as it stands now. So far there is no change to the AP VAT Act which would be applicable to Telangana also till Telangana adopts it as such or makes any changes, if it so desires. - Reply By ganeshan kalyani - The Reply = Second scenario : If a dealer in Andhra Pradesh purchases a taxable goods from an unregistered dealer in the state of Telangana. Then after manufacturing the goods sold locally and vat paid to govt. The purchases from Telangana would amount to Interstate purchase. But since the dealer is unregistered he would not be able to charge 2 percent or full CST on the bill. Hence now the question is whether the dealer in Andhra Pradesh would fall under obligation to pay purchase tax. - Reply By SURESH ASTEKAR - The Reply = In terms of Section 17(5) (b) of the AP VAT Act, every dealer registered or liable to be r ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... egistered under the Central Sales Tax Act 1956 , or any dealer making purchases or sales in the course of inter-state trade or commerce or dispatches any goods to a place outside the State otherwise than by way of sale, is liable to be registered under the APVAT Act itself. Further a dealer making interstate sale is liable to get himself registered under the CST Act also. Therefore, the question of a dealer in AP purchasing goods from an unregistered dealer in Telangana, does not arise at all. - Reply By ganeshan kalyani - The Reply = The tax which is liable to pay u/s 4(4) of AP VAT Act, by a registered dealer in Telangana for purchases from an unregistered dealer in Telangana. The tax so paid, can that be claimed as set off. - Reply By Madhukar N Hiregange - The Reply = You may need to examine the local VAT law. In Karnataka VAT the buyer of goods from URD has to pay the VAT as purchase tax. As and when he resell or as in your case consumes the same, he is eligible for ITC. If not paid then interest + mandatory penalty would be the consequence. - Reply By ganeshan kalyani - The Reply = In Maharashtra VAT Act the section 53 talks about Retention of Vat set off for g ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... oods dispatched outside the State otherwise than by way of sale in the course of inter-State trade. The said section i could not come across The Andhra Pradesh VAT Act, 2005. Should need to throw some light if it has any provision in the said act. - Reply By ganeshan kalyani - The Reply = A dealer purchases from unregistered dealer at Telangana and paid purchase tax for manufacturing he send it his own unit at Andhara Pradesh as stock transfer. After manufacturing he sold it in Andhra pradesh and paid vat. I would request to clarify whether dealer in Telanaga who purchased from unregistered dealer and paid purchase tax, can claim the set off of the tax paid toward purchase tax. - Reply By ganeshan kalyani - The Reply = As per section 4(4)(iii) Purchase tax payable. The rate of tax is given in Act is 4 percent . Is this the current rate or it is change to 5 percent . - Reply By Abhinav Arora - The Reply = Dear Experts I was reading the above discussion and I am now wondering if similar provisions are there in Maharastra VAT Act. Please enlighten - Reply By Narendra Kumar T - The Reply = Under Karnatka VAT Act, If goods purchased from Unregistered delaer and If goods not fall ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... ed under Sechedule 1 Goods ( Exempted Goods), then the buyer need to pay VAT on URD Purchases. Further, VAT Input is available subject to payment of VAT and Input eligibility of such goods. However, its subject Local VAT Act. - Reply By ravi thakkar - The Reply = if unregistered dealer sale goods to interest, to whom tax is applicable and if applicable to purchaser so, it is liable to VAT or CST - Reply By ravi thakkar - The Reply = if unregistered dealer sale goods in Interstate, to whom tax is applicable and if applicable to purchaser, so it is liable for VAT or CST - Reply By OUSEPH PAPPARIL VARKEY - The Reply = Sir, could you please advise whether i have to pay purchase tax for buying arecanut slices from an unregistred person for export purpose?. If so do we can claim it or adjust with input tax. Yours faithfully - Reply By Sumeet Singhal - The Reply = Dear sir I had started new business for Agri product where we are getting very good response all across the country but due to un organised sector we are not able to understand how to purchase the goods for more then 20000 at a time to show on our books as you know on Agri business one have any bank account or PA ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... N card every vendor ask money on cash what so ever amount is but when we are selling the goods all the company want on Bill if we are doing URD Purchase it not easy for us to show purchase for long volume kindly guide us for the same sumeet - Reply By konni Vasudeva Rao - The Reply = Dear Sir, 1. purchases from under registered dealers it should be shown in: non-creditable purchases 2. If the same goods will be sold to Local Registered Dealers Tax will be applicable VAT 3. If the Registered Dealer having INPUT VAT CREDIT IN THAT PARTICULAR MONTH YOU MAY ADJUST from PREVIOUS MONTH CREDIT INPUT - Reply By BRAJESH KUMAR - The Reply = DEAR SIR/MADAM, I AM EXPORTER. I PURCHASED PRODUCT FROM JHARKHAND FROM UNREGISTERED BUYER. MY COMPANY IS REGISTERED IN WEST BENGAL. HOW TO MAKE ROAD PERMIT AND IF I PURCHASED FROM OTHER STATE. PLEASE ADVISE ME THANKS BRAJESH - Reply By Pradeep Kumar - The Reply = You can generate way bill through online. It is available in the WB Commercial taxes website. First we have to collect all details like name of material, quantity, value, supplier details, transporters details and then generate way bill. We can seek Local commercial t ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... ax practitioners' help for this. - Reply By Mahesh Chauhan - The Reply = Dear Sir, I am a registered dealer in U.P. and want to make a purchase from an unregistered dealer in Delhi. Please advice me, how to make a purchase. Its a item to be sold further by paying CST/VAT. Thanks. - Reply By Ganeshan Kalyani - The Reply = Sir, without CST registration a dealer is not allowed to do interstate supply. The supplier is supposed to get register before the transaction is taking place. Sir, levying , collecting tax and paying it to Exchequer is the responsibility of the supplier.Thanks - Reply By YAGAY AND SUN - The Reply = Goods can be procured from unregistered dealers even in ISS transactions. If goods are further being disposed off on payment of VAT/CST, then no purchase tax would be applicable. - Purchase from unregistered dealer - Query Started By: - guna ch Dated:- 10-12-2012 Value Added Tax - VAT-CST - Got 33 Replies - VAT and Sales Tax - Discussion Forum - Knowledge Sharing, reply post by an expert, personal opinion Tax Management India - taxmanagementindia - taxmanagement - taxmanagementindia.com - TMI - TaxTMI - TMITax ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X
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