TMI BlogRecovery of Cylinder CostX X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... XYZ selling Gas in cylinders. The cylinders are on returnable basis and once it gets emptied, the customer returns it back. If the customer is not returning the cylinders back, XYZ is recovering the cylinder cost from the customer. XYZ need to issue a debit note on the customer for cylinder cost or raise a service invoice for penalty for not returning the cylinders? - Reply By Amit Agrawal - The Reply = Answer to the query raised depends upon terms conditions agreed between parties. If recovery of charges (against cylinders not returned) are penal in nature (i.e. to ensure that cylinders are returned back by the recipient of gas not kept by the recipient), then, GST is not payable there-against. If terms conditions agreed betw ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... een parties shows that 'cylinders not returned back' is treated as 'sale' between parties, then, tax-invoice charging applicable GST against 'goods' (i.e. cylinders) sold needs to be raised by XYZ. I am not sure that I have understood any factual situation where debit-note needs to be raised u/s 34 against 'gas' originally supplied towards 'cylinders not returned back'. This is because of my understanding that original intention between parties was only supply of 'gas' where recipient was supposed to return 'emptied cylinders' back to the supplier. These are ex facie views of mine, the same should not be construed as professional advice / suggestion. - Reply By Amit Agraw ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... al - The Reply = In order to avoid any tax-disputes at end of XYZ (specially when it is not at a fault though the recipient is at fault), as a practical measure, it is better that tax-invoice charging applicable GST against 'goods' (i.e. cylinders) sold is raised by XYZ where terms conditions agreed between parties are demonstrating that 'cylinders not returned back' is treated as 'sale of cylinders' between parties. These are ex facie views of mine, the same should not be construed as professional advice / suggestion. - Reply By Kaustubh Karandikar - The Reply = Thanks Amit ji for your valuable guidance as you are doing always. In my view and as endorsed by you, let the supplier issue a Debit Note towards ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... recovery of cost of cylinders by charging GST. - Reply By Amit Agrawal - The Reply = You are welcome, Shri Kaustubh Ji! Kindly note that in my post/s above, in specified scenario , I have suggested 'tax-invoice' charging applicable GST being altogether new supply of cylinders and NOT a debit-note u/s 34 against old / original supply of gas. I feel that debit-note can NOT be raised u/s 34 against 'gas' originally supplied on account of the fact that 'cylinders not returned back'. This is because as the original contract - between parties - was only supply of 'gas' where recipient was supposed to return 'emptied cylinders' back to the supplier. Supply of ''cylinders' - in specifie ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... d scenario - is new supply of goods (i.e. cylinders) and same has nothing to do with original supply of 'gas' in my view. These are ex facie views of mine, the same should not be construed as professional advice / suggestion. - Reply By Kaustubh Karandikar - The Reply = Yes Amiy ji i fully agree with your advice and i also thought of the same but then if tax invoice for goods is issued, the issue of e - way bill arises and since there is no movement of goods, e - way bill cannot be issued and in that case there will be a difference in the value of GSTR - 1 and value as appearing on e - way bill portal which again might be objected by GST authorities which needs to be explained to them. Therefore, i thought of this remedy. ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... - Reply By Amit Agrawal - The Reply = Sir, Raising debit-note (against non-returning of cylinders) can lead to Dept's raising valuation-issues (i.e. charge of under-valuation) for 'gas' supplied originally (i.e. even when empty cylinder were subsequently returned back to the supplier). You will be find many case-laws under Excise Regime when Dept. tried the same (though unsuccessfully). Furthermore, what happens if there are different tax-rates for supply of 'gas' and ' ylinder'? What if Dept. again demand taxes against ' ylinder' sold, alleging that additional taxes paid against debit-note was for 'gas' supplied and not against ' ylinder' sold? And so on .... Hence, in my view, i ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... t s better to stick with interpretation as per law in any situation. W.r.t. query of difference/s (between e-way bill and sale-invoice etc.) if raised by Dept., same can be will need to be explained. These are ex facie views of mine, the same should not be construed as professional advice / suggestion. - Reply By Amit Agrawal - The Reply = *Please read in above post for relevant line as follows: Hence, in my view, it s better to stick with consistent interpretation as per law in any situation. ............ These are ex facie views of mine, the same should not be construed as professional advice / suggestion. I respect contrary views. - Reply By Kaustubh Karandikar - The Reply = yes sir, i appeciate your views. But a ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... s per the terms of the contract, the price charged agains the original supply was for gas and cylinders were to be returned back. Since the same are not returned back, cost of cylinder is recovered through debit note. will it have any issues? - Reply By Amit Agrawal - The Reply = Recovery (against cylinders not returned) is not additional consideration OR even a consideration for 'gas' supplied. Hence, debit-note u/s 34 cannot be raised. Debit-note u/s 34 (3) can be raised only where one or more tax invoices have been issued for supply of any goods or services or both and the taxable value or tax charged in that tax invoice is found to be less than the taxable value or tax payable in respect of such supply. Recover ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... y (against cylinders not returned) - in given scenario - can NOT lead to charge that the taxable value or tax charged in that tax invoice (i.e. original invoice) is less than the taxable value or tax payable in respect of such supply of original supply i.e. GAS . Hence, debit-note u/s 34 cannot be raised, in my view, against recovery for cylinders not returned in given scenario. W.r.t. issues that may arise in raising debit-notes u/s 34 , I have already explained them in my earlier post. These are ex facie views of mine, the same should not be construed as professional advice / suggestion. I respect contrary views. - Reply By Padmanathan Kollengode - The Reply = To support the views of Amit Ji from contrac ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X ..... t Act/ Sale of goods Act POV, the original contract is only for sale of gases alone and the title in cylinder does not originally pass to the recipient. Therefore, there is no initial supply of cylinder. It is only a new supply (as and when cylinder is not returned and the title passes to customer). - Reply By Kaustubh Karandikar - The Reply = Thanks amit ji and padmanathan ji for your valued advice. - Recovery of Cylinder Cost - Query Started By: - Kaustubh Karandikar Dated:- 23-5-2023 Goods and Services Tax - GST - Got 11 Replies - GST - Discussion Forum - Knowledge Sharing, reply post by an expert, personal opinion Tax Management India - taxmanagementindia - taxmanagement - taxmanagementindia.com - TMI - TaxTMI - TMITax ..... X X X X Extracts X X X X X X X X Extracts X X X X
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